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Some people think that the Silver Skulls, like the Blood Ravens, are possibly a loyalist fragment of a Traitor legion. In particular, people have considered the possibility that they are descended from a loyslist [[Iron Warriors]] company, lead by Warsmith [[Barabas Dantioch]], that helped '''FORTIFY''' Ultramar during the Horus Heresy. The Ultramarine part being a cover Guilliman gave them to protect them from Imperial retribution for the treason of the majority of the [[Iron Warriors]]. The evidence for this is mostly circumstantial and derived from narrative convention and thus is unconfirmed for now, but it's a very strong narrative convention to some. | Some people think that the Silver Skulls, like the [[Blood Ravens]], are possibly a loyalist fragment of a Traitor legion. In particular, people have considered the possibility that they are descended from a loyslist [[Iron Warriors]] company, lead by Warsmith [[Barabas Dantioch]], that helped '''FORTIFY''' Ultramar during the Horus Heresy. The Ultramarine part being a cover Guilliman gave them to protect them from Imperial retribution for the treason of the majority of the [[Iron Warriors]]. The evidence for this is mostly circumstantial and derived from narrative convention and thus is unconfirmed for now, but it's a very strong narrative convention to some. | ||
* First of all, the fluff had always explicitly stated that they only ''claimed'' to be Ultramarine successors (ever since their introduction in 2nd Edition, interestingly enough). | * First of all, the fluff had always explicitly stated that they only ''claimed'' to be Ultramarine successors (ever since their introduction in 2nd Edition, interestingly enough). | ||
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* They have a penchant for siege warfare, up to including having a rank of '''Siege'' Captain. | * They have a penchant for siege warfare, up to including having a rank of '''Siege'' Captain. | ||
* Their new Chapter Tactic favors retreating to fight again another day. [[Just as Planned|Exactly what Dantioch wished to do against the Hrud. Which caused Perturabo to exile the Warsmith from the Iron Warriors in the first place | * Their new Chapter Tactic favors retreating to fight again another day. [[Just as Planned|Exactly what Dantioch wished to do against the Hrud]]. Which caused [[Perturabo]] to exile the Warsmith from the [[Iron Warriors]] in the first place. | ||
* In the Imperium Secundus during the Horus Heresy, Dantioch and his Iron Warriors were accepted and beloved by the Ultramarines as loyalists, and eventually proclaimed that they marched for Maccrage. | * In the Imperium Secundus during the Horus Heresy, Dantioch and his Iron Warriors were accepted and beloved by the Ultramarines as loyalists, and eventually proclaimed that they marched for Maccrage. Essentially "honorary" Ultramarines. | ||
* They apparently have the sheer weight of numbers to be one of the most active Chapters among all Chapters, after the opening of the Great Rift | * They apparently have the sheer weight of numbers to be one of the most active Chapters among all Chapters, after the opening of the Great Rift. | ||
However the most recent Space Marines 8th ed (2017) states outright that the Silver Skulls are directly descended from the [[Ultramarines]], being one of the "Scions of <s>the Spiritual Lei</s>Guilliman". However, you might still think this leaves the possibility that the Silver Skulls were snuck in as a successor during the Second Founding, being loyalists from a traitor legion. If they are Ultramarine descendants, then this is likely just a sign of respect and memory for Dantioch and the other loyalists Iron Warriors, but would not really explain why they engage in siege warfare since such a thing is distinctly un-Space Marine like. Don't forget, [[Roboute Guilliman|Big Bobby G]] had his memory wiped when he took in members of the [[Lost Legions]] so that even he would not know they had joined the Ultramarines, nothing stopping him from doing it again to protect Dantioch's boys. | However the most recent Space Marines 8th ed (2017) states outright that the Silver Skulls are directly descended from the [[Ultramarines]], being one of the "Scions of <s>the Spiritual Lei</s>Guilliman". However, you might still think this leaves the possibility that the Silver Skulls were snuck in as a successor during the Second Founding, being loyalists from a traitor legion. If they are Ultramarine descendants, then this is likely just a sign of respect and memory for Dantioch and the other loyalists Iron Warriors, but would not really explain why they engage in siege warfare since such a thing is distinctly un-Space Marine like. Don't forget, [[Roboute Guilliman|Big Bobby G]] had his memory wiped when he took in members of the [[Lost Legions]] so that even he would not know they had joined the Ultramarines, nothing stopping him from doing it again to protect Dantioch's boys. |
Revision as of 02:10, 31 January 2020
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Battle Cry | "Primus inter pares(First Amongst Equals)" | |
Founding | Unknown, possibly Second Founding | |
Successors of | Ultramarines (or possible loyalist Iron Warriors decendants) | |
Successor Chapters | Unknown | |
Chapter Master | Argentius | |
Primarch | Roboute Guilliman("officially"); Perturabo(probably) | |
Homeworld | Varsavia | |
Strength | Unknown | |
Specialty | Headhunting, Prognostication, Siege Warfare | |
Allegiance | Imperium of Man | |
Colours | Gunmetal and black, with silver helms and aquilas |
The Silver Skulls are a Space Marine chapter created in an unknown later Founding. They've been around since the days of Rogue Trader, decapitating heretics, covering their heads in silver and keeping them as trophies. This practice is also employed by the White Scars on the skulls of those captured by the Hunt.
Mostly known these days for starring in short stories and a full novel by Sarah Cawkwell.
Prognosticators
The Prognosticator is the Silver Skulls equivalent of a Librarian. Prognosticators use various forms of divination to predict the future. These forms of divination often use psychic Tarot Card wafers, Rune Stones, etc. It is with their predictions that the Silver Skulls choose to go to battle, because their homeworld's culture places great reverence on psykers. In addition, they also serve as part-time Chaplains, for aforementioned reasons. Although if you think about it, that's a genuinely terrible idea, even by the standards of 40k's 'Put a lunatic in charge and assume it'll work out ok' style of poor choice making. Putting the dude who is most likely to get possessed by a daemon in charge of the spiritual well being of everyone else ? That, gentlemen, is exactly the kind of thinking that leads to minor problems.
Recent Activities(Getting rekt by the Crons)
The Silver Skulls have been getting kicked in the balls by some other silver fuckers recently, with a Necron Tombworld awakening beneath one of their fortresses. The necron lords made a game of it, with everyone taking turns to see who could kill the most defenders. Two weeks later one lord won and the Silver Skulls 4th company was annihilated. The rest of the chapter attacked the crons, blockading the dead system of Lazar without any explanation. Making sure not to tell anyone about the extremely dangerous foe who was likely within striking distance of Imperial worlds. Anyway the Skulls destroyed the primary tomb world, which of course caused all the secondary ones nearby to activate, turning it into a full scale war.
As if this whole thing wasn't bad enough for the Skulls, Anrakyr showed up to help the Necrons, and in the final battle used his powers to turn the guns of the crashed battle barge the Skulls were fighting around against them, then killed their chapter master. At that point the Skulls said "man, fuck this" and left, making sure not to let anyone know they lost the war, or that there was one to begin with. Because the moral of the story is to never tell anyone about the massive threat that just handed your ass to you if it means you'll look bad.
- Or because the last thing the Silver Skulls need is to incite mass panic within the ranks of Imperial citizenry, because the Inquisition says that's bad. 'Mkay children?
- No, it doesn't. The Inquisition says it's bad to spread dangerous knowledge, so they'd definitely support keeping the citizenry ignorant of imminent threats, but mass panic isn't nearly grimdark enough a reason for them.
Who's the Father?
Some people think that the Silver Skulls, like the Blood Ravens, are possibly a loyalist fragment of a Traitor legion. In particular, people have considered the possibility that they are descended from a loyslist Iron Warriors company, lead by Warsmith Barabas Dantioch, that helped FORTIFY Ultramar during the Horus Heresy. The Ultramarine part being a cover Guilliman gave them to protect them from Imperial retribution for the treason of the majority of the Iron Warriors. The evidence for this is mostly circumstantial and derived from narrative convention and thus is unconfirmed for now, but it's a very strong narrative convention to some.
- First of all, the fluff had always explicitly stated that they only claimed to be Ultramarine successors (ever since their introduction in 2nd Edition, interestingly enough).
- It's stated that they don't know who their Primarch is, as a matter of fact, and that centuries of testing by the Adeptus Mechanicus provided only evidence that it's Guilliman.
- Their livery consists of a silver skull that looks almost just like Warsmith Barabas Dantioch's mask and very much like the Iron Warriors' Legion symbol.
- Their chapters are very much like the Iron Warriors, just shinier and without hazard stripes. The 4th company is even closer to the full Iron Warriors colour scheme. Subtle, GW, very subtle.
- They have a penchant for siege warfare, up to including having a rank of 'Siege Captain.
- Their new Chapter Tactic favors retreating to fight again another day. Exactly what Dantioch wished to do against the Hrud. Which caused Perturabo to exile the Warsmith from the Iron Warriors in the first place.
- In the Imperium Secundus during the Horus Heresy, Dantioch and his Iron Warriors were accepted and beloved by the Ultramarines as loyalists, and eventually proclaimed that they marched for Maccrage. Essentially "honorary" Ultramarines.
- They apparently have the sheer weight of numbers to be one of the most active Chapters among all Chapters, after the opening of the Great Rift.
However the most recent Space Marines 8th ed (2017) states outright that the Silver Skulls are directly descended from the Ultramarines, being one of the "Scions of the Spiritual LeiGuilliman". However, you might still think this leaves the possibility that the Silver Skulls were snuck in as a successor during the Second Founding, being loyalists from a traitor legion. If they are Ultramarine descendants, then this is likely just a sign of respect and memory for Dantioch and the other loyalists Iron Warriors, but would not really explain why they engage in siege warfare since such a thing is distinctly un-Space Marine like. Don't forget, Big Bobby G had his memory wiped when he took in members of the Lost Legions so that even he would not know they had joined the Ultramarines, nothing stopping him from doing it again to protect Dantioch's boys.
Although considering their somewhat Khornate hobby:taking skulls, although dipping them in silver and hanging them on walls instead of building a throne for a paraplegic sociopath. Although, the writers have stated that the whole "superstitious" and "head-taking / skull collecting" thing is from the culture of their homeworld, not from their gene-seed or Astartes training. Basically, they are what world happen when you recruit Iron Warriors from superstitious feral tribesmen and train them in combat operations designed by Barabas Dantioch.
That said, ADB also said that the fluff intentionally associates some chapters from two or three foundings with "Traitor/dubious gene-seed", but without confirming or denying if the fluff is true. The question is whether you believe the Second Founding to be one of the foundings ADB had in mind. If so, it is justifiable to read the Silver Skulls as a loyalist fragment of a traitor legion. If not, the Silver Skulls are just Ultramarines successors. There has never been as much traction to the Silver Skulls' murky origins in fandom as was the case for the Blood Ravens, and so you should not expect GW people to come out and explicitly clarify any intended/unintentional ambiguity. Aaron Dembski-Bowden also explicitly stated on the Bolter and Chainsword forum that the Blood Ravens are not a loyalist splinter of a traitor legion (or rather, that they're not allowed to have a definitive answer to their origins), and that chapters with murky origins are just bad writing to make them stand out, confusing readers about their basically vanilla origins. He says he has had the lowdown straight from the IP people of GW. Which is great and all but it is common for GW to not remember their own lore.
Gallery
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These guys have been around since forever.
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Don't know why you need a tank. Kinda ruins the head collecting.
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A member of the 4th company. Kinda looks like a Primaris
Iron Warrior*BLAM* Silver Skull.