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== In D&D ==
While most would consider a Scout type class to be rather pointless, given that its basic themes can already be handled reasonably well by the [[Ranger]] and the [[Rogue]], [[Dungeons & Dragons]] has never been shy about putting the spurs to a horse no matter how tired it is, and so there's been a few encounters with in over the editions.
In 2nd edition, [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]], the Scout appeared as one of the [[Kits]] in the Complete Thieves' Handbook, and was literally nothing more than a "wilderness rogue"; a rogue who gained a boost to mobility related thieving skills in wilderness environments, and had a better chance of launching ambushes, but who suffered a penalty to all their thieving skills in urban environments.
In 3rd edition, the Scout was a complete class in its own right released in the Complete Adventurer, alongside the [[Ninja]] and the [[Spellthief]]. It was a highly mobile and lightly armored class that specialised in using traps and deadly strikes; it had the Trapfinding (as per a Rogue), a Barbarian's Uncanny Dodge, a Monk's Fast Movement and Evasion class features, Trackless Step as per a Druid, Camouflage & Hide in Plain Sight as per a Ranger, a Skirmish feature (bonus damage in rounds when it moved 10+ feet before attacking), a level-based bonus to Fortitude and Initiative, a Flawless Stride feature (ignore difficult terrain that just slows movement), Blindsense that eventually upgrades into Blindsight, a permanent Freedom of Movement effect, and a bundle of bonus feats based around mobility, endurance, perception and ranged combat.
In 5e, the Scout resurfaced as a new [[Fighter]] subclass, in the Unearthed Arcana article "Classics Revisted/Kits of Old", in which it was essentially a beefier, non-magic-using take on the Ranger. This incensed many Ranger fans since even with its comparative limitations, it was ''still'' a lot better at being a ranger than the actual ranger class.
==In Warhammer 40K ==
[[Image:Space_Marine_Scouts.jpg|right]]
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:''For the [[D&D]] [[class]], see [[Scout (D&D)]].
In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]].  They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.
In [[Space Marine]] Chapters that follow the [[Codex Astartes]], '''Scouts''' are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the [[gene-seed]] organ that allows a Marine to interface with his [[power armour]].  They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are [[Reasonable Marines|the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage]] (although, in some Chapters and the [[Deathwatch]], full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the [[Raven Guard]] use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the [[Devastator Squad]]s.


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=== A history of stat lines ===
=== A history of stat lines ===
So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis?
So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly less good armour, due to not power armouring. In codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (assuming 4 all besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit. In 5th edition, Scouts traded their Weapon Skill for their Toughness, and probably got a buff to leadership. Making them guardsmen when it comes to hitting things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the tread, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex droped as well with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels) As of current with all 7th edition codex released, half of the Adeptus Astartes books have junior Marines with WS/BS 4. This may be fair for Space Wolves, because blood and sky claws get Rage.
 
Well, he has always gotten slightly less good armour, due to not power armouring.
 
In codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (assuming 4 all besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit.
 
In 5th edition, Scouts traded their Weapon Skill for their Toughness, and probably got a buff to leadership. Making them guardsmen when it comes to hitting things but space marines in the wounding.
 
By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the tread, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped.
 
At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex droped as well with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels)
 
 
As of current with all 7th edition codex released, half of the Adeptus Astartes books have junior Marines with WS/BS 4. This may be fair for Space Wolves, because blood and sky claws get Rage,<s> but it makes Blood Angel Scouts weaker at gun play compared to DA/SM scouts</s> FAQ'd.


=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===
=== I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™ ===
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Revision as of 14:44, 14 December 2016

For the D&D class, see Scout (D&D).

In Space Marine Chapters that follow the Codex Astartes, Scouts are Space Marines in training. They have not yet gained the Black Carapace, the gene-seed organ that allows a Marine to interface with his power armour. They are usually organized into squads in the Tenth Company, and are the only Marines that regularly wield sniper rifles or use camouflage (although, in some Chapters and the Deathwatch, full Marines do use both). Fittingly, the Raven Guard use a lot of Scouts, since their combat doctrine centers around infiltration and sabotage. Once he serves about ten years as a Scout, the Space Marine receives his Black Carapace and power armour, and is sent off to the Devastator Squads.

They are led by a Sergeant, who is usually a member of a Tactical Squad that chooses to impart his wisdom to a younger generation, but may also be a Veteran Scout who refused the opportunity to become a full-fledged Space Marine. In the case of the Blood Ravens, they are led by Steve Blum voicing an angsty, ineffectual dork, who he hopes one day to teach all the Blood Ravens to be angsty, ineffectual dorks. His most important lesson is to go out of the way to point out problems and question every solution as if it was the most inexperienced idea you've ever heard.

Also, if you even say the word "bonk" within a hundred feet of an Angry Marine Scout with a Power Bat, he will beat you so hard you won't know which end of your sternum you're looking through.

Back in the times of the Great Crusade however, the Space Marine Legions didn't have Scouts at all. Instead they had the even better Legion Reconnaissance Squads. Instead of being made out of simple Neophytes that were to experience their tour of actual combat, Legion Reconnaissance Squads were made out of experts at reconnaissance, intel gathering, guerilla warfare, assassinations and sabotage. If they were fighting along their brethren on the battlefield, then they'd become flankers and wreck havoc and confusion among the enemy's ranks.

A history of stat lines

So how mighty is the Scout, as Junior Marine, on a stat line basis? Well, he has always gotten slightly less good armour, due to not power armouring. In codex Imperialis and Codex Ultramarines, Scouts had M4 WS4 BS3 S4 T3 W1 I4 A1 Ld7, which made then as good at punching as Space Marines (assuming 4 all besides W and A was the space marine), but not as good at taking punches or shooting shit. In 5th edition, Scouts traded their Weapon Skill for their Toughness, and probably got a buff to leadership. Making them guardsmen when it comes to hitting things but space marines in the wounding. By 6th edition, all scouts/claws had space marine muscles, but had the finesse of a guardsman. When the Space Wolf and Blood Angel codices continued the tread, everyone expected this to hold through the edition. Then the Space Marine Codex dropped. At no point increase on anything, scouts and anything scout related got WS/BS 4. The Dark Angel codex droped as well with the same stat line boost as the Space Marine codex, and free access to Grim Resolve (i.e. Chapter Tactics for Dark Angels) As of current with all 7th edition codex released, half of the Adeptus Astartes books have junior Marines with WS/BS 4. This may be fair for Space Wolves, because blood and sky claws get Rage.

I Can't Believe It's Not A Scout™

Though using Neophytes as Scouts was established when the Emperor formed the Legiones Astartes, not all Chapters utilize them as Scouts:

  • Space Wolves Wolf Scout: Scouts in the Space Wolves are bitter, experienced veterans taken from the Grey Hunters (the Space Wolves equivalent of the Tactical Marines); most of them are introverts that find it hard to fit in with the rest of the (incredibly gregarious) Space Wolves and prefer to operate more-or-less alone. New recruits are put in Blood Claw squads instead.
  • Black Templars Neophytes: The Black Templars are too cool to use Scouts. Instead, when an Initiate (the Black Templar equivalent of a Tactical Marine) decides he has learned enough, he takes on a Marine-in-training, referred to as Neophytes, which are then mixed into Crusader squads. This is nominally to pass the experience of an Initiate to a Neophyte, but in reality, the Neophytes just make amazing meatshields.
Forces of the Codex Compliant Astartes
Command: Apothecary - Brother-Captain - Brother-Sergeant - Chaplain - Chapter Master
Command Squad - Honour Guard - Librarian - Techmarine
Troops: Assault Squad - Centurion Squad - Chapter Serf - CATs - Devastator Squad
Scout Squad - Servo-skull (Data Skull - Skull Probe) - Tactical Squad
Terminator Squad - Veteran Squad
Great Crusade-era: Breacher Siege Squad - Consul - Despoiler Squad - Destroyer Squad
Legiones Decurion - Legion Herald - Legion Outrider Squad - Legion Vigilator
Moritat - Master of the Signal - Praetor - Reconnaissance Squad - Seeker Squad
Sky Hunter Squad - Tactical Support Squad - Inductii
Structures: Castellum Stronghold
Walkers: Dreadnought (Castraferrum - Contemptor - Deredeo - Leviathan)
Transports: Land Raider - Mastodon Heavy Assault Transport - Razorback Transport
Rhino Transport - Spartan Assault Tank - Termite
Vehicles: Bike Squad - Javelin Attack Speeder - Jetbike - Kratos Heavy Assault Tank
Land Speeder - Predator Tank - Sabre Tank Hunter - Sicaran Battle Tank
Vindicator
Ordnance: Hunter - Legion Arquitor Bombard - Rapier Armoured Carrier - Stalker
Thunderfire Cannon - Whirlwind
Flyers: Caestus Assault Ram - Fire Raptor - Orgus Flyer - Storm Eagle - Stormbird
Stormhawk - Stormraven - Stormtalon - Thunderhawk - Xiphon Interceptor
Superheavy Tanks: Cerberus Heavy Tank Destroyer - Fellblade Super-Heavy Tank
Typhon Heavy Siege Tank
Spacecraft: Boarding Torpedo - Drop Pod - Space Marine Landing Craft
Allied Space Marines: Fallen Angel - Primaris Marine - Blood Angels - Dark Angels
Deathwatch - Grey Knights - Space Wolves - Black Templars