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* Cyberpunk 2020
* Cyberpunk 2020
* Some parts from [[Doctor Who|Doctor Who]] qualifies.
* Some parts from [[Doctor Who|Doctor Who]] qualifies.
* Anything from [[Halo|Ancient Halo]] (The entire plot-line from Halo was all a elaborate set-up from a Eldritch Abomination Gods, to [[Troll|troll]] and [[Just As Planned|just as planned]] every race in the Universe, and Humanity and all life is faced inevitable doom worse then death from their [[Tzeentch|dickish creators]]...so Grimdark for a setting not even meant to be Grimdark in the first place)
* Anything from [[Halo|Ancient Halo]] (The entire plot-line from Halo was all a elaborate set-up from [[C'tan|Eldritch Abomination Gods]], to [[Troll|troll]] and [[Just As Planned|just as planned]] every race in the Universe, and Humanity and all life is faced inevitable doom worse then death from their [[Tzeentch|dickish creators]]...so Grimdark for a setting not even meant to be Grimdark in the first place)
**The UNSC for example, the "Good Guys" of Halo, are a totalitarian, military regime where even freedom of thought is monitored by an A.I. from [[Inquisition|ONI]], anything deemed as "un-UNSC like", would be tortured, interrogated and '''BLAMED!''', and nobody would remember you since everybody is brainwashed by propaganda and ONI.
* Bioshock (Definitely Bioshock Infinite)


== See also ==
== See also ==

Revision as of 23:30, 10 September 2013

It's totally the opposite of this.
Inspector Gadget, reimagined with a grimdark feel.
Grimdark Original versions, of the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, before the show.

Grimdark is an adjective derived from the tagline for Warhammer 40k, which states that "In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war." It is generally used to describe a setting which it would really, REALLY suck to actually live in, exemplified by Warhammer 40k itself (in fairness, this is because the published material primarily focuses on war and cults and other horrible things; there are supposed to be many pleasant and peaceful worlds and sectors in the Imperium, but they are mostly ignored as they are boring from a game perspective -- and when they do appear in lore or stories, they're about to go from 0 to fucked very, very soon. Unless, of course, we're talking about planets in the Macragge system. Goddamned Ultramarines). It can also be used to describe artwork that has a grimdark feel, even if the setting itself would not normally be considered grim or dark.

Being grimdark can be taken to extremes; depending on your own personal tolerances for grim darkness, there is a point at which it becomes more ridiculous than anything else because everything is indefeasibly tragic all the time. This is an accusation often levelled at Warhammer itself, and leads some to rail against "Grimdark" as a whole, decrying the concept as ridiculous attempts at edginess (typically by teenagers), and using the expression to refer solely to such over-the-top settings in a pejorative manner. Others embrace this ridiculousness (recall especially that Warhammer 40K was, in early editions, a much more obviously comedic setting) and run with it, embracing the ludicrous nature of extreme grimdark and denying that it is supposed to be taken seriously (as detractors claim is the intention). This schism is mostly visible with races such as the Tau in Warhammer, who are noticeably less grimdark than most of the other races combined, and they are either loved or hated because of this. When grimdark is involved, there isn't a lot of room for middle ground. Meanwhile, another sizable percentage instead postulate that Grimdarkness lends greater moral and ethical complexity to a setting. (Based on the fallacy that darkness always equals depth.) Such people usually cite the works of Dan Abnett and many other Warhammer 40K writers to lend credence to such suppositions (these people are clearly ignoring that fact that most writers tone the grimdark WAY down, what, you didn't think that fact that the Imperium being an effective government, civilians having normal happy lives on par with the US, Commissars who never blam there troops was odd?). Needless to say, grimdarkness is a rather polarizing subject.

BUT IT IS FUCKAWESOME EITHER WAY. Until Khornate Knights happen...

The polar opposite of grimdark is Noblebright, a deliberate inversion of grim and dark nature where honour, happiness, and high adventure rule the day, as opposed to dying in a ditch from a supernatural plague as you run out of potable water and can no longer wait for the logistics department to process your dead comrades into something slightly more palatable before you start eating them.


Common grimdark themes include:

  • Massive, imperialist, overbearing, bureaucratic, dystopian dictatorships; e.g. Nazi Germany clones, Soviet Russia clones, "Big Brother is watching you".
  • Constant, never ever-ending warfare. Just like in real life.
  • Short life expectancies due to war, genocide, harsh environments, or space-bugs trying to eat your face.
  • Horrifyingly large death tolls are perfectly normal. Just like in real life.
  • Everyone is racist towards non-humans/elves/mutants/fungus/lizards/robots/aliens/blacks/Jews/non-Jews/each other. Just like in real life.
  • The vast majority are poor people who literally live in shit, dung, crime, and a plethora of all kinds of filthy diseases, except for a few greedy upper 1% who own 99.9% of everything. Just like in real life.
  • You, a poor bastard, are being farmed for shoots and giggles by said few greedy upper 1%. Just like in real life.
  • There ain't any poverty in fact; the poor had been tortured to extinction aeons ago. As a result, you have to survive the sentient 4D concentration camp and hordes of African shadow zombies. Just like in real life.
  • Chronic backstabbing. Just like in real life.
  • Child Soldiers. Just like in real life.
  • Police brutality. Just like in real life.
  • Spanish Inquisition clones.
  • Torture. Just like in real life.
  • Zombie plagues.
  • Cybernetics and cyborgs; the less human, the better.
  • Mutants, especially the persecution thereof.
  • Sanity checks. Just like in real life internets.
  • Criminally insane delusional psychotics tortured in filthy mental asylums (in case of no SAN checks).
  • Disgusting, horrifying, tentacled eldritch abominations (often the cause of aforementioned criminal insanity).
  • Rape. Just like in real life. (Also often by aforementioned tentacled abominations).
  • Massive amounts of blood, gore, guts, pain and hatred. Just like in real life.
  • Anti-intellectualism. Just like in real life.
  • Nihilism. Just like in real life.
  • Gothic/Emo aesthetics.
  • There are no "good guys"; everyone's a jerk, including you. Especially you. Just like in real life.
  • Everyone will most likely die in the end. Especially the ones important to the main character. Just like in real life WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT UP ABOUT REAL LIFE!
  • Always polluted, never sunny.
  • No ice cream. Unless it's AIDS-flavoured.
  • *BLAM*
  • Death or suicide will only make things much, much worse in Lovecraftian levels as a hive of disgusting, incomprehensibly evil supernatural daemons are waiting there to eternally torment your un-life and roast your soul alive day and night forever and ever, again and again and again and again, especially if you are intelligent. Yes, just like a real life mainstream religion that preaches exactly this.
  • Tremendous potential for offensive/dark comedy/lulz.
  • And if you ever, EVER try to change this shitty world or try to help one person just a little, you will be the first to be tortured and raped in every hole in your body by the Evil Supernatural Abominations' Latest Horror Devices.
  • Heaven knows, I'm miserable now.


Stuff considered Grimdark

A world where the only way to beat grimdark is by introducing something even grimmer and darker
  • Warhammer 40,000 (Naturally)
  • Dwarf Fortress
  • End of War
  • 1984
  • Paranoia (though used for parodying 1984)
  • Many stories in the Tragedy genre
  • RIFTS
  • Blame!
  • Eastenders (especially at Christmas)
  • Grimdark Songwriting
  • Don't Rest Your Head
  • SLA Industries
  • Pokemon Tabletop Adventures (though optional)
  • World of Darkness
  • CthulhuTech (just about anything based on Lovecraft, such as Call of Cthulhu, will be grimdark)
  • Exalted (If playing mortals).
  • Neon Genesis Evangelion End of Evangelion was more grimdark than the series.
  • Monopoly
  • FATAL
  • Rebecca Black
  • Real Life (especially in dirt-poor third world countries where 1 billion people have to shit in the open air) Real Life, if there's no standards to compare it to, is by itself Neutral Boring. When compared to Heaven or My Little Pony, RL is certainly as grimdark as Lovecraft. When compared to 1984 or 40k, RL is kinda relaxing though still neutral boring. And that's enough to qualify for grimdark status *BLAM*
  • The Witcher (racism, genocides, dozens of monsters that want to eat Your face whenever You enter the random forest. Or cave. Or ruins.)
  • Dark Souls (most of the population are undead, you die constantly, and you have to fight enemies larger and filthier than you are, including a naked bitch with a spider vagina. Also, FAKE TITS.)
  • Gears of War (however it ends relatively upbeat, sort of)
  • Hellgate London
  • Most of David Bowie's songs about 1990.
  • The first two Hellraiser movies and also Event Horizon. The Original Evil Dead trilogy could also count but Army of Darkness is iffy
  • Cyberpunk 2020
  • Some parts from Doctor Who qualifies.
  • Anything from Ancient Halo (The entire plot-line from Halo was all a elaborate set-up from Eldritch Abomination Gods, to troll and just as planned every race in the Universe, and Humanity and all life is faced inevitable doom worse then death from their dickish creators...so Grimdark for a setting not even meant to be Grimdark in the first place)
    • The UNSC for example, the "Good Guys" of Halo, are a totalitarian, military regime where even freedom of thought is monitored by an A.I. from ONI, anything deemed as "un-UNSC like", would be tortured, interrogated and BLAMED!, and nobody would remember you since everybody is brainwashed by propaganda and ONI.
  • Bioshock (Definitely Bioshock Infinite)

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