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*Chaos Emeralds from Sonic the Hedgehog and Elements of Harmony from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are counts as Exterminatus in Tabletop game(using one of them results in Instant Victory)
*Chaos Emeralds from Sonic the Hedgehog and Elements of Harmony from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are counts as Exterminatus in Tabletop game(using one of them results in Instant Victory)
*Obelisk of Light from Command and Conquer series are counts as Lascannon in 40k Tabletop game
*Obelisk of Light from Command and Conquer series are counts as Lascannon in 40k Tabletop game
*Pile Bunkers like one that Slug Gunner uses in Metal Slug 5 are counts as Power Fist
*Pile Bunkers like one that Slug Gunner uses in Metal Slug 5 are counts as Power Fist in 40k Tabletop game
*Tremor AGAS from Command and Conquer Generals: Zero Hour mod: Rise of the Reds are counts as Gatling Blaster in 40k Tabletop game
*Tremor AGAS from Command and Conquer Generals: Zero Hour mod: Rise of the Reds are counts as Gatling Blaster in 40k Tabletop game



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Counts As is a rule used to justify both epic models and Games Workshop's tendency to cancel/not support armies with existing fanbases such as Lost and the Damned. The fix is easy: the old units now "count as" some other unit entirely. Sometimes it works; other times it does not.


Still other times it makes no fucking sense whatsoever, such as when GW cancelled the Codex: Eye of Terror after it had been used in tournaments, leaving a bunch of players with mutant-loaded Chaos Renegade armies with nothing but the fucking "Counts As" rule to keep them company.


The Other Side of the Coin

In a different light, for 40k, the "counts as" rule is a converter's and fluff-heavy player's best friend, as it can add a bit of individuality to an army. For example, modeling a single heavy weapons guy to "count as" a heavy weapons team in an Imperial Guard command squad, assistant Techpriests instead of servitors for a Techpriest or Techmarine, an Eldar sword painted glowing red to count as a Fusion Gun as well as a Power Sword, ect. are little ways this rule adds character to a model. On a larger scale, some Iron Warriors Chaos Space Marine players are known to use the loyalist Space Marine codex to better represent the mechanized organization of their legion than their current Chaos Space Marine codex can.

It also allows players to field fluff-based armies in more creative ways - say, for example, an Imperial world that has been cut off from the rest of the Imperium for thousands of years has slowly forgotten the superstition surrounding machines and has evolved to the point of re-manufacturing grav tanks and the like. Such an army would be Imperial in flavour, but would play using the Eldar codex. And in fluff, would be targeted by Inquisitors on a daily basis. Another common setup is to kitbash Imperial Guard and Tau models together to make a Gue'vesa force, counting the crunch as Imperial Guard or Tau, depending on what best represents the force's combat style and composition. Players with these kinds of armies are rare, however, so "counts as" mostly adheres to the first two types of examples.


As with the no longer supported models above who "suffer" from the "Counts As" rule, (and for anything in general) it's always necessary to inform your opponent as to what each of these changes count as.

Examples of "Counts As"

  • Autoguns are counts as Lasguns in 40k Tabletop game(this may explains reason why Lasguns, despite being more powerful than most today's guns are no more powerful than flashlights in 40k universe and that's because in tabletop game, Lasgun's damage output are no greater than today's guns)
  • Chaos Emeralds from Sonic the Hedgehog and Elements of Harmony from My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic are counts as Exterminatus in Tabletop game(using one of them results in Instant Victory)
  • Obelisk of Light from Command and Conquer series are counts as Lascannon in 40k Tabletop game
  • Pile Bunkers like one that Slug Gunner uses in Metal Slug 5 are counts as Power Fist in 40k Tabletop game
  • Tremor AGAS from Command and Conquer Generals: Zero Hour mod: Rise of the Reds are counts as Gatling Blaster in 40k Tabletop game

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