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One of the foundational works of modern fantasy, ''Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'' and ''Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There'' were written by Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (pen name: Lewis Caroll) in 1865 and 1871, and have been a source of stock shoutouts in RPGs for a ''very'' long time. | {{meh}} | ||
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One of the foundational works of modern fantasy, ''Alice's Adventures in Wonderland'' and ''Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There'' were written by Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (pen name: Lewis Caroll) in 1865 and 1871, and have been a source of stock shoutouts in RPGs (and other media) for a ''very'' long time. Very much operates on dream logic and the surreal. | |||
One of the first full cases of [[Isekai]] and the "All Just A Dream" ending, but because both were rare at the time, it gets a pass for both. | One of the first full cases of [[Isekai]] and the "All Just A Dream" ending, but because both were rare at the time, it gets a pass for both. | ||
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Here are a few common items to get the nod in /tg/-related stuff: | Here are a few common items to get the nod in /tg/-related stuff: | ||
* The [[Jabberwocky]]: A dragon of some kind. | * The [[Jabberwock|Jabberwocky]]: A dragon of some kind. | ||
* The | * The Jubjub bird: From the same poem as the above. | ||
* A [[Vorpal Sword|Vorpal Blade]]: From the poem about the Jabberwocky. If you see one of these, it's descended from a nod to Caroll (who invented the word "Vorpal"), but after so many washings through the "designer in a hurry" machine, it's probable that | * A [[Vorpal Sword|Vorpal Blade]]: From the poem about the Jabberwocky. If you see one of these, it's descended from a nod to Caroll (who invented the word "Vorpal"), but after so many washings through the "designer in a hurry" machine, it's probable that that reference is forgotten. | ||
* | * Snarks: Again, word made up by Caroll, in a semi-related work that gets a lot of shout-outs on its own, ''The Hunting of the Snark''<ref>Lewis directly implied that the island of the Snark is the same place as the Jabberwock was slain</ref>. If the referrer is clever, they'll make the Snark in question a "Boojum", which is '''much''' more dangerous. | ||
The following are more rare except in direct Lewis pastiches, although all have been ''very'' influential. | |||
* The Cheshire Cat: A talking cat whose ability to vanish except for its smile has influenced a ''lot'' of horror works. Intelligent, and somewhat friendly, but quite insane. | |||
* The Mad Hatter: The other major figure to get a lot of shoutouts. Friendly, but quite quite insane, and he knows it. | |||
* The Queen of Hearts: Crazy, and much less friendly. | |||
* The Walrus and the Carpenter: A pair of very Evil villains (Lawful vs Chaotic pending, but both are hardcore liars); note that there is no religious allegory here, despite what a lying Angel from that one movie will tell you, as the Carpenter was chosen by the illustrator (the other options were a butterfly and a baronet). | |||
* The Mock Turtle: An animal who insists his species is used to make Mock Turtle Soup. <ref>In real life, Mock Turtle Soup uses organ meat from cows, done to resemble the taste of ''actual'' Turtle Soup (which really was a common soup at the time that involved eating real turtle meat).</ref> | |||
As a side note: | |||
* Tweedledee and Tweedledum and Humpty Dumpty predate Lewis (they were both figures from children's rhymes), but if they appear in a modern work, it's usually because of their appearances in Through the Looking Glass. | |||
** Both tend to show up in non-Lewis pastiches for their poetic natures. (Humpty Dumpty for something that once broken cannot be fixed, the Tweedles for petty feuds). | |||
Among notable /tg/-related shoutouts: | Among notable /tg/-related shoutouts: | ||
* [[Monster Girl Encyclopedia]] has | * The [[Monster Girl Encyclopedia]] has an entry for all of the Lewis Caroll creations you'd expect, as well as many you wouldn't. Even the worm with a hookah and fucking Humpty Dumpty himself make an appearance. "Wonderland" in the setting is a nation, biome, and dimension all at once. It's the MGE equivalent of [[Sigil]], if Sigil was one giant arboreal red-light district literal tourist trap. It's the best place to go if you're so insane and so horny the rest of the setting is too boring, logical, and prudish for your tastes. | ||
* "Dungeonland" and "The Land Beyond The Magic Mirror", a pair of notorious early Dungeons and Dragons adventure module written by Gary Gygax based more or less directly on the Duology. | * "Dungeonland" and "The Land Beyond The Magic Mirror", a pair of notorious early Dungeons and Dragons adventure module written by Gary Gygax based more or less directly on the Duology. | ||
* Just about all the creatures mentioned in the Jabberwocky poem have had a Dungeons & Dragons monster made for them at some point. Some have had it | * Just about all the creatures mentioned in the Jabberwocky poem have had a Dungeons & Dragons monster made for them at some point. Some have had it happen to them several times. | ||
* JAGS Wonderland, a psychedelic horror RPG very loosely based on the Wonderland setting. Has a reputation for being an interesting setting stuck to a mediocre system. | |||
==Footnotes== | |||
[[Category:Literature]] | [[Category:Literature]] |
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One of the foundational works of modern fantasy, Alice's Adventures in Wonderland and Through the Looking-Glass, and What Alice Found There were written by Charles Lutwidge Dodgson (pen name: Lewis Caroll) in 1865 and 1871, and have been a source of stock shoutouts in RPGs (and other media) for a very long time. Very much operates on dream logic and the surreal.
One of the first full cases of Isekai and the "All Just A Dream" ending, but because both were rare at the time, it gets a pass for both.
A favorite mining spot for RPGs in a hurry for new content, Wonderland's monsters and creatures are very much a stock reference.
Here are a few common items to get the nod in /tg/-related stuff:
- The Jabberwocky: A dragon of some kind.
- The Jubjub bird: From the same poem as the above.
- A Vorpal Blade: From the poem about the Jabberwocky. If you see one of these, it's descended from a nod to Caroll (who invented the word "Vorpal"), but after so many washings through the "designer in a hurry" machine, it's probable that that reference is forgotten.
- Snarks: Again, word made up by Caroll, in a semi-related work that gets a lot of shout-outs on its own, The Hunting of the Snark[1]. If the referrer is clever, they'll make the Snark in question a "Boojum", which is much more dangerous.
The following are more rare except in direct Lewis pastiches, although all have been very influential.
- The Cheshire Cat: A talking cat whose ability to vanish except for its smile has influenced a lot of horror works. Intelligent, and somewhat friendly, but quite insane.
- The Mad Hatter: The other major figure to get a lot of shoutouts. Friendly, but quite quite insane, and he knows it.
- The Queen of Hearts: Crazy, and much less friendly.
- The Walrus and the Carpenter: A pair of very Evil villains (Lawful vs Chaotic pending, but both are hardcore liars); note that there is no religious allegory here, despite what a lying Angel from that one movie will tell you, as the Carpenter was chosen by the illustrator (the other options were a butterfly and a baronet).
- The Mock Turtle: An animal who insists his species is used to make Mock Turtle Soup. [2]
As a side note:
- Tweedledee and Tweedledum and Humpty Dumpty predate Lewis (they were both figures from children's rhymes), but if they appear in a modern work, it's usually because of their appearances in Through the Looking Glass.
- Both tend to show up in non-Lewis pastiches for their poetic natures. (Humpty Dumpty for something that once broken cannot be fixed, the Tweedles for petty feuds).
Among notable /tg/-related shoutouts:
- The Monster Girl Encyclopedia has an entry for all of the Lewis Caroll creations you'd expect, as well as many you wouldn't. Even the worm with a hookah and fucking Humpty Dumpty himself make an appearance. "Wonderland" in the setting is a nation, biome, and dimension all at once. It's the MGE equivalent of Sigil, if Sigil was one giant arboreal red-light district literal tourist trap. It's the best place to go if you're so insane and so horny the rest of the setting is too boring, logical, and prudish for your tastes.
- "Dungeonland" and "The Land Beyond The Magic Mirror", a pair of notorious early Dungeons and Dragons adventure module written by Gary Gygax based more or less directly on the Duology.
- Just about all the creatures mentioned in the Jabberwocky poem have had a Dungeons & Dragons monster made for them at some point. Some have had it happen to them several times.
- JAGS Wonderland, a psychedelic horror RPG very loosely based on the Wonderland setting. Has a reputation for being an interesting setting stuck to a mediocre system.