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''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with relatively equal adeptness.
[[File:Githyanki Gish 5e.jpeg|400px|thumb|right|The aspiration all strive for, the ability to specialize in two cool things at the same time and be cooler for it.]]


Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all.
''Gish'' is a /tg/ term relating to [[Classes|character classes]], and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness. The [[gunslinger]] analogue of a gish doesn't have such a storied history, but the term [[Gun Mage]] has become popular thanks to [[WarmaHordes]].


Traditionally, most gishes are the result of [[multiclassing]], or dual-classing, or hybrid classing, depending on edition. However, certain classes have increasingly been designed to support this from the ground up, due to certain inefficiencies in the multiclassing approach - most notably, the XP Tax.
Gish originated from [[Dungeons & Dragons]], where the [[githyanki]] had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the [[multiclassing]] option to become [[fighter]]/[[wizard]]s of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D [[munchkin]] consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]]; the actual ''idea'' of the gish has been around since [[Elf]] was a class in [[Dungeons & Dragons]].


However, most "made" gish-classes have traditionally been "warriors, with a little magic"; examine the [[Paladin]] ([[fighter]] with some low-level [[Cleric]] spells and tricks) or the [[Ranger]] (a [[fighter]]/low-level [[druid]] blending). More melee capable mage types have been a rarity; the [[Swordmage]] of 4th edition D&D, or the [[Bladesinger]] [[Wizard]] and Stone [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)|Sorcerer]] of 5e, for example.
Traditionally, most gishes are the result of [[multiclassing]], or dual-classing, or hybrid classing, depending on edition. However, certain classes have increasingly been designed to support this from the ground up, due to certain inefficiencies in the multiclassing approach - most notably, the XP Tax. However, most "made" gish-classes have traditionally been "warriors, with a little magic"; examine the [[Paladin]] ([[fighter]] with some low-level [[Cleric]] spells and tricks, Though the the Cleric itself is arguably an example since from the beginning it has always had the ability to use armor and melee weapons) or the [[Ranger]] (a [[fighter]]/low-level [[druid]] blending). More melee capable mage types have been a rarity; the [[Swordmage]] of 4th edition D&D, [[Pathfinder]]'s [[Magus]] and [[Bloodrager]], or the [[Bladesinger]] [[Wizard]] and Stone [[Sorcerer (Dungeons & Dragons)|Sorcerer]] of 5e, for example. Though this is specific to Arcane casters as Divine casters such as [[Cleric|Clerics]] have always had the ability to use armor and weaponry from the get go or at the very least lacked a penalty for gaining the ability to do so like Pathfinders [[Oracle]], Nature casters were prohibited from wearing metal but otherwise could use armor.


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The earliest "level 1 gish class" appeared in Basic D&D, in the form of the [[Elf]] racial class. required a minimum Intelligence of 9 to qualify for the character, and needed high Strength and Intelligence to gain bonuses to XP gathering. They had a D6 hit dice, started play with the Set Spear vs Attack and Lance Attack fighter manuevers, were immune to the paralysis attack of ghouls, and had a 1 in 3 chance to detect secret or hidden doors. Technically maxing out at 10th level, they gained a fairly small selection of mostly low-level spells, maxing out at 3 spells for each level from 1st to 4th and 2 level 5 spells upon hitting 10th level, but could keep gaining experience after 10th level to increase their attack rank, maxing out at Attack Rank M. At Attack Rank D, they gained the Fighter Combat Options and could make 2 attacks per round. At Attack Rank G, they halved all damage taken from breath weapons (quartering it if they passed their saving throw). At Attack Rank K, they could make 3 attacks per round.
 
[[Known World Gazetteers|Dawn of the Emperors: Thyatis and Alphatia]] introduced the ''Forester'' class, a human trained by elves who thusly has learned to blend martial skills and magic the same way that they do. To represent a forester, you took the Elf class and stripped out the Infravision and Immunity to Ghoul Paralysis traits. That's it; do that, and you're good to go.
 
Gishes frequently show up in fantasy-based video-games, usually as a more "elite" version of normal classes. One of the /v/ gishes most well known on /tg/ is the Red Mage of [[Final Fantasy]], a character class that combines [[Wizard|Black Magic]], [[Cleric|White Magic]] and melee fighting skills into one singular class; it can't become as good in any one of these fields as a specialist, but its broad, well-rounded skill-set makes it one of the most versatile (and powerful) classes. A party composed entirely of Red Mages is considered basically the beginner's group in a game of FF1.
 
==The Gish Problem==
 
One problem with fighter/mages: They have a tendency to not be balanced. Most systems compensate for the power of spells by making spellcasters fragile, and the gish, in order to work as a "magic fighter", usually needs to be on at least the second line of combat. (Maybe somebody could write something about D&D's issues here)
 
Various solutions have been tried. A few include:
 
*Making the Gish very much a "jack of all trades, but master of none"; they'll never be as good at melee or magic as a specialist in either, but can fill in for both as needed.
*Making the Gish more specialized than "magic fighter" sounds like. Say, they can act as an off-healer, or their magic is mainly focused on non-fatal status effects, or both their spells and melee are single target only.
*Making the Gish hyper-specialized in one of or both melee and magic. For example, they teleport around, but that's usually the limit of their magic use.
*The Gish gets the worst of both worlds as well as the best. While they can cast spells and fight with a sword, they can't wear armor while casting, nor they do anything else when casting a spell.
*Make them all offense, no defense, or vise versa.
*The Gish [[Combat roles|occupies a role]] distinct from both; e.g., while Mages are '''burst''' damage dealers, and Warriors are Tanks, the Magic Knight specializes mainly in '''sustained''' damage every round. (Mainly an MMO thing, but if you're doing a class system with a focus on roles, this solution is at least functional.)
 
When these breakdown you get [[CoDzilla]]
 
==List of Gish Classes==
Without directly multiclassing, these classes directly amalgamate martial and magical prowess into one class.
 
* BECMI [[Elf]]
* BECMI Forester
* BECMI Gruugrakh [[Gnoll]]
* [[Bard]]
* [[Bladesinger]] (a fighter/mage multitclassing [[kits|kit]] for [[elves]] in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)
* [[Bloodrager]]
* [[Duskblade]]
* [[Hexblade]]
* [[Hunter (Pathfinder)]]
* [[Mage blade]] ([[Arcana Unearthed]])
* [[Magus]]
* [[Paladin]] (divine gish. Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels, lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)
* [[Psychic Warrior]]
* [[Ranger]] (quasi-druidic gish)
* [[Warpriest#Pathfinder|Warpriest]] (Pathfinder version specifically, unlike the Paladin they get 6th level spells and although they still have a clerics BAB, they get the feat choice of a full BAB class of the same level)
* [[Swordmage]]
* 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a [[Fighter#5th Edition|Fighter]]
* 5e [[Warlock]] (via Pact of the Blade sub-feature or Hexblade subclass)
* If you'll accept something from vidya, [[Tales of Maj'Eyal]] has a lot of variations on the Gish stereotype, particularly in the paid Steam DLC.
 
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Latest revision as of 09:12, 21 June 2023

The aspiration all strive for, the ability to specialize in two cool things at the same time and be cooler for it.

Gish is a /tg/ term relating to character classes, and specifically refers to a character who is capable of both melee combat and magic with roughly equal adeptness. The gunslinger analogue of a gish doesn't have such a storied history, but the term Gun Mage has become popular thanks to WarmaHordes.

Gish originated from Dungeons & Dragons, where the githyanki had an elite caste known as the gish; githyanki using the multiclassing option to become fighter/wizards of considerable lethality. The archetype stuck fast in the D&D munchkin consciousness and it has remained a fixture of /tg/ ever since. The concept is referred to in homage to the githyanki, who started it all... at least, if you were playing Advanced Dungeons & Dragons; the actual idea of the gish has been around since Elf was a class in Dungeons & Dragons.

Traditionally, most gishes are the result of multiclassing, or dual-classing, or hybrid classing, depending on edition. However, certain classes have increasingly been designed to support this from the ground up, due to certain inefficiencies in the multiclassing approach - most notably, the XP Tax. However, most "made" gish-classes have traditionally been "warriors, with a little magic"; examine the Paladin (fighter with some low-level Cleric spells and tricks, Though the the Cleric itself is arguably an example since from the beginning it has always had the ability to use armor and melee weapons) or the Ranger (a fighter/low-level druid blending). More melee capable mage types have been a rarity; the Swordmage of 4th edition D&D, Pathfinder's Magus and Bloodrager, or the Bladesinger Wizard and Stone Sorcerer of 5e, for example. Though this is specific to Arcane casters as Divine casters such as Clerics have always had the ability to use armor and weaponry from the get go or at the very least lacked a penalty for gaining the ability to do so like Pathfinders Oracle, Nature casters were prohibited from wearing metal but otherwise could use armor.

The earliest "level 1 gish class" appeared in Basic D&D, in the form of the Elf racial class. required a minimum Intelligence of 9 to qualify for the character, and needed high Strength and Intelligence to gain bonuses to XP gathering. They had a D6 hit dice, started play with the Set Spear vs Attack and Lance Attack fighter manuevers, were immune to the paralysis attack of ghouls, and had a 1 in 3 chance to detect secret or hidden doors. Technically maxing out at 10th level, they gained a fairly small selection of mostly low-level spells, maxing out at 3 spells for each level from 1st to 4th and 2 level 5 spells upon hitting 10th level, but could keep gaining experience after 10th level to increase their attack rank, maxing out at Attack Rank M. At Attack Rank D, they gained the Fighter Combat Options and could make 2 attacks per round. At Attack Rank G, they halved all damage taken from breath weapons (quartering it if they passed their saving throw). At Attack Rank K, they could make 3 attacks per round.

Dawn of the Emperors: Thyatis and Alphatia introduced the Forester class, a human trained by elves who thusly has learned to blend martial skills and magic the same way that they do. To represent a forester, you took the Elf class and stripped out the Infravision and Immunity to Ghoul Paralysis traits. That's it; do that, and you're good to go.

Gishes frequently show up in fantasy-based video-games, usually as a more "elite" version of normal classes. One of the /v/ gishes most well known on /tg/ is the Red Mage of Final Fantasy, a character class that combines Black Magic, White Magic and melee fighting skills into one singular class; it can't become as good in any one of these fields as a specialist, but its broad, well-rounded skill-set makes it one of the most versatile (and powerful) classes. A party composed entirely of Red Mages is considered basically the beginner's group in a game of FF1.

The Gish Problem[edit]

One problem with fighter/mages: They have a tendency to not be balanced. Most systems compensate for the power of spells by making spellcasters fragile, and the gish, in order to work as a "magic fighter", usually needs to be on at least the second line of combat. (Maybe somebody could write something about D&D's issues here)

Various solutions have been tried. A few include:

  • Making the Gish very much a "jack of all trades, but master of none"; they'll never be as good at melee or magic as a specialist in either, but can fill in for both as needed.
  • Making the Gish more specialized than "magic fighter" sounds like. Say, they can act as an off-healer, or their magic is mainly focused on non-fatal status effects, or both their spells and melee are single target only.
  • Making the Gish hyper-specialized in one of or both melee and magic. For example, they teleport around, but that's usually the limit of their magic use.
  • The Gish gets the worst of both worlds as well as the best. While they can cast spells and fight with a sword, they can't wear armor while casting, nor they do anything else when casting a spell.
  • Make them all offense, no defense, or vise versa.
  • The Gish occupies a role distinct from both; e.g., while Mages are burst damage dealers, and Warriors are Tanks, the Magic Knight specializes mainly in sustained damage every round. (Mainly an MMO thing, but if you're doing a class system with a focus on roles, this solution is at least functional.)

When these breakdown you get CoDzilla

List of Gish Classes[edit]

Without directly multiclassing, these classes directly amalgamate martial and magical prowess into one class.

  • BECMI Elf
  • BECMI Forester
  • BECMI Gruugrakh Gnoll
  • Bard
  • Bladesinger (a fighter/mage multitclassing kit for elves in AD&D and a prestige class in 3e, but its own thing in 4e and 5e)
  • Bloodrager
  • Duskblade
  • Hexblade
  • Hunter (Pathfinder)
  • Mage blade (Arcana Unearthed)
  • Magus
  • Paladin (divine gish. Their debut as a class in 3E gave them full BAB at the cost of only gaining 4 spell levels, lower than most Gishes which get up to 6)
  • Psychic Warrior
  • Ranger (quasi-druidic gish)
  • Warpriest (Pathfinder version specifically, unlike the Paladin they get 6th level spells and although they still have a clerics BAB, they get the feat choice of a full BAB class of the same level)
  • Swordmage
  • 5e Eldritch Knight, one of subclasses of a Fighter
  • 5e Warlock (via Pact of the Blade sub-feature or Hexblade subclass)
  • If you'll accept something from vidya, Tales of Maj'Eyal has a lot of variations on the Gish stereotype, particularly in the paid Steam DLC.