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===Beyond 4chan=== 4e has been growing a rather peculiar reputation in mainstream D&D culture, one of misunderstanding and hate filled bile, a few rumors have been spread about 4e among the [[Critical Role]] fans that make up a fair part of the Mainstream fandom, which have spread elsewhere, rumors like; "4e was so mechanically complex (THAC0 called, it wants its place as the most misunderstood D&D mechanic back) because they were also making a virtual tabletop to go along with it, but it never saw the light of day so we got stuck with a math heavy game never actually intended to be played with regular dice (The part about the virtual tabletop is true, but I can't find any sources to back up the claim as a whole). It's also said to be too bloated, this is usually followed up by the amount of powers a PC gets, ignoring that a) 4e slowly paced your power progression throughout Heroic, and b) you are actually supposed to trade out your lowest leveled powers for stronger ones as you gain levels. A 30th level character has a grand total of '''17'''* powers; 2 At-Wills, 4 Encounters, 4 Dailies, 7 Utilities, and this is literally just a single Utility power more than a 20th level character, who themselves has just +1 Encounter, Daily and Utility power over a 10th level character. Anyone remotely familiar with the [[Wizard]] or [[Cleric]] spells per day total since at least [[Advanced Dungeons & Dragons]] would laugh at calling this a "bloated" store of powers. Even in 5e, spellcasters still tend to get more spells than this, at least if they're full casters. * Okay, a [[Player's Handbook]] [[human]] or [[half-elf]] gets a bonus At-Will or Encounter power respectively, and a [[Wizard]] doubles their Daily and Utility pools via their Spellbook feature (but can still only use the same 4/4/7 powers-per-day as any other class), but still, the point remains that it's a pretty small pool of powers. This is accelerated by shit like semi-famous D&D Animator Puffin Forest giving a bunch of 4e Noobs level '''8''' characters because [[FAIL|"They were experienced with other D&D Editions"]] and then throwing a fucking [[Umber Hulk]] and several elite monsters (elites being equal to 2 monsters of the same level) at them all while claiming he was doing the game "by the book."
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